Saturday, May 7, 2016

No Bernie, This Is Not "Absolutely Appropriate"

Bernie Sanders speaking with Rachel Maddow today about recent protests by his supporters outside Clinton events:
MADDOW: Let me just be clear though. In terms of people turning up and protesting outside and not disrupting?
SANDERS: Absolutely. If they want to do that, that is absolutely appropriate. Why not? That is what freedom of speech is about, what freedom of dissent is about. People standing outside by the hundreds, by the thousands, saying "look, we disagree". I think that’s exactly appropriate.
Maddow then further described to Sanders the extremely negative tone of recent protests, at which point he...started talking about Donald Trump.

Watch the exchange here:



In case you are wondering, this is what Rachel was talking about...and what Bernie finds "absolutely appropriate":
Also, this:
Senator Sanders, this is not okay. And it's certainly not "absolutely appropriate". In fact, in my entire life I've never seen anything like it in a Democratic primary.

Simply saying "I'll help defeat Trump later on" is not enough anymore. With his campaign finally winding to a close, it's way, way past time for Bernie to step up and call for civility and respect among his supporters.

25 comments:

  1. You believe that it is NOT appropriate to demonstrate? This is AMERICA - NOT Russia! #BernieOrBust

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    1. And you think it is appropriate to yell "f*ck you" to an 8 year old? WHat does that accomplish? What the f*ck is the matter with you Bernie or bust morons?

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    2. that's the question, I can see why Donald's supporters are down with hate, they've lost ground and lost status, but Bernie's supporters are supposedly educated. Yet scaring little kids works for them and for their candidate. For them free speech is free speech, they have the right to yell f- you at little kids and dammit, they're going to exercise that right and if the 'whores for Hillary' don't like it, they shouldn't bring their kids to places where they could run into great berniebots!!!

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    3. You think this is how civilized adults protest someone from the same patty in a Primary? Who are you, one of Trump's ignorant pack of fools? She is absolutely right, in all the years I've been a REAL Democrat I have never seen REAL Democrats act this way! NEVER!! Bernie has destroyed all the respect I've had for him for all these years because he has not only allowed but encouraged pipsqueaks like you to act this way under the name of Democrat! This is NOT his party, never was; he decided to run as a Democrat for the money and organization he could get and because he's too much of a pansy-ass to run as the Independent he is. He has been cheating, stealing, and whining about our "unfair rules" as if we just made them up when he joined us. EVERY DEMOCRAT WHO PARTICIPATES IN OUR PRIMARIES PLAYS/PLAYED BY THESE VERY RULES! He lost, in spite of all his machinations, because REAL Democrats recognize a fake-assed money-grubber when we see one! It's over, Bernie, YOU LOST!! Shut your mouth, tape those fingers shut before someone snaps them off at the roots, and get the hell out!! All of you get lost and take your rude, crude, sophomoric temper tantrums with you! Let Mommy and Daddy kiss it 'n make it better.

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    4. You think this is how civilized adults protest someone from the same patty in a Primary? Who are you, one of Trump's ignorant pack of fools? She is absolutely right, in all the years I've been a REAL Democrat I have never seen REAL Democrats act this way! NEVER!! Bernie has destroyed all the respect I've had for him for all these years because he has not only allowed but encouraged pipsqueaks like you to act this way under the name of Democrat! This is NOT his party, never was; he decided to run as a Democrat for the money and organization he could get and because he's too much of a pansy-ass to run as the Independent he is. He has been cheating, stealing, and whining about our "unfair rules" as if we just made them up when he joined us. EVERY DEMOCRAT WHO PARTICIPATES IN OUR PRIMARIES PLAYS/PLAYED BY THESE VERY RULES! He lost, in spite of all his machinations, because REAL Democrats recognize a fake-assed money-grubber when we see one! It's over, Bernie, YOU LOST!! Shut your mouth, tape those fingers shut before someone snaps them off at the roots, and get the hell out!! All of you get lost and take your rude, crude, sophomoric temper tantrums with you! Let Mommy and Daddy kiss it 'n make it better.

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    5. I believe that demonstrations should be directed to power. Not to DEMOCRACY! Elections are an expression of that. Vote instead.

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    6. Protesting is an American right. But wasn't a protest. This was outright disrespect and abuse by people that demand respect from everyone else.

      This is exactly the reason people shake their heads and pities Millennials.

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    7. Of course they have the right to demonstrate, but what they are protesting is electoral democracy. They are shouting obscenities at people ho exercise and heir democratic rights and insist the majority vote should not prevail. They are standing up against the rights of the majority, for their own determination to bully and harass the majority into submitting to their rule--a rule by the few over the many. Imagine if they'd focused of voter turnout rather than their rage at Anerican citizens who dare to exercise their democratic rights.

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    8. I heard a guy yelling "fuck you, women" over & over again. That tells me everything I need to know about Bernie & his bots. Fuck them all. We do not need them to win. They are irrelevant.

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  2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh47_lElnjc

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  3. That's not "demonstrating", that shouting down kids. #BernieScumbags

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  4. I was at the SF one, and there was an adult man who was specifically targeting kids. They're ugly people with hate to share. I first blogged the phase 'bernie or bust' at Kos, never thinking it would be used as a flag, bust isn't an option. Bust isn't appropriate.

    but she was great, she has always been for lowering school loan interest rates and capping to percentage of income and having an end, but this time she added loan forgiveness for those who go into public service, like teachers. And with her there will be more public service opportunities.

    She's reaching out to Republicans on competence, not on compromising on her progressive agenda. Her progressive agenda is factually better for the economy too, she doesn't have to change that to get Republicans, it already has crossover appeal.

    She's inventing 'red dog Republicans,' those who want rational and are willing to share with the poor if that's what it takes to get to rational.

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  5. In this case some of the blame goes to the event organizers. There should be a contained, designated area for protestors, and at a minimum the path from a rally to the parking area should be protected.

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    1. they were contained across the street, but the lines went down the block and so people could walk on the sidewalk next to those waiting in line, and some of them did, and one guy was looking for kids, picking out the kids. Most people looked past them, negative hallucinations. And then leaving they were lining the sidewalks, with ugly signs and shouting at everyone, and I told a few of them they were just being stupid. There was security everywhere, it wasn't unsafe, it was just unpleasant. Berniebots following their leader. his goal is to drive down her approval ratings.

      The first time he's said that he'd work to defeat Donald if he isn't the nominee was on Maddow, before that he's just said he'd do whatever he could do to beat Donald, and delusional or crooked bernie meant he's the only one who could, and so 'anything to beat Hillary' was the way, and he likes the demonstrations because of the publicity that he hopes reflects negatively on Hillary.

      But i guess when Maddow asked him to be specific, he walked that back, he'd never been clear that defeating Donald to him means getting the nomination against the will of the voters, he just hadn't ever said he'd work to defeat Donald if he isn't the candidate, and it was what he was doing, so on Maddow he said what he hasn't said before, and what I don't believe.

      He's always been the sort of guy to prefer those in need losing and him blaming than actually doing anything positive for people in real need. His only wins have been his own elections. That's what he did when he chaired the armed services committee, ignored the wait list and presented an unfunded benefits expansion bill that would have lengthened the wait list and was soundly defeated and he gave up and blamed. It was only after the scandal became public that he agreed to a rational bill, which he now takes credit for. He's quite a case.

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    2. He started his campaign, saying he'd support Hillary, if she was then nominee. Once more, he lied. When asked by Rachel, what he would do if he lost the nomination, he said, he would do anything to stop Trump. When asked a second time, he said the same thing, that he'd do all he could to stop Trump. He never said he'd help Hillary. He deliberately snubbed Hillary, implying that he'd do all he could to stop Trump, but never said he'd help Hillary, in direct contradiction to what he said at the beginning of his campaign. As for his failures at the Armed Services committee, why hasn't this been brought up for the public to see? This is a classic case of assuming the messenger has something to do with changing unpleasant realities he has simply mentioned in his message. "Vote for me, and I'll give you a revolution." The man is all talk.

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  6. When it comes to disrupting, it partly depends on what the situation is and who the candidate. Let's not get into the case of Clinton here. And Bernie is not for disrupting. If Rachel Maddow frowns on people holding up anti-Clinton signs outside of an event, no matter what the contents may be, then she neglects the important tradition of free speech. And yes, free speech will naturally involve a lot of shouting and chanting and even anger.

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    1. I believe in free speech and the right of protestors to be repulsive and unpleasant. Bernie has the right to encourage his supporters to be nasty and target children.

      This IS the case of Clinton, the first viable female candidate who has a nearly prohibitive lead and who Sanders mocks and jeers at his rallies and does fund-raising not by his own attributes, but by calling her liar and tying her to Trump and Kissinger, the feminist candidate who has been called a 'corporate whore' at his rallies, who has had dollar bills thrown at her, and he thinks it's appropriate.

      You may think so too, I don't.

      This from the guy who has hired his wife to be his senior campaign advisor and who broke his one promise, to release his 2015 tax returns that would show what he paid her in 2015. She must really good.

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  7. MADDOW: Let me just be clear though. In terms of people turning up and protesting outside and not disrupting?

    ... and not disrupting?
    and not DISRUPTING
    and NOT DISRUPTING
    AND NOT DISRUPTING.

    Read the very specific question she asked of him and take down this smear. You are completely off-base.

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    1. you must be joking, this is a claim that Sanders took a very narrow and unusual meaning for what she asked. She wanted to find out if he's fine with the nasty the day the nasty was aimed at children, and he's quite fine with it, as long as it isn't inside. Outside fine, anything goes, but I am glad you think it's a smear and don't agree that it's just fine.

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  8. I think if Rachael had shown this video to Bernie, he would not have said protesting in this manner is not appropriate. I don't believe it is always possible to regulate some aggressive fool's negative acting out behaviors that could possibly rear their ugly heads. I don't believe this bad behavior is the norm & I felt sad for the little boy who was afraid if those bloody fools vicious words.♡

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  9. Sorry,.... he would have said it's not at all appropriate...

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  10. Sorry,.... he would have said it's not at all appropriate...

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  11. The behavior of the Berniebot is as varied as is the support for him. In many cases the support is zero. They're doing it because they're republican imposters. The largest percentage are more or less legit and sincere Bernie supporters. But these crowds of angry hysterics are mostly people that think the messenger can make things happen for them. Bernie is hustling people with promises, and with slurs of his opponents. He's so astonished at the naivete of most of his followers, at how easily they're fooled, how easily they've come to see him as pure, authentic, genuine, honest, blah, blah, blah... he's gotten truly serious about winning. Susan Sarandon is a perfect example of his older converts. Wide eyed, a true believer, full of hope and belief, except when it comes to looking at the details. Tim Robbins, another one, reading, often Clinton hating newspapers, to get a "take" on matters so complex even the so-called "experts" are guessing. I remember coming to blows with an Obamabot in 2007, so impassioned with the progressive Black he'd found for president, that he was ready to punch someone who disagreed with him. Obama's a slightly liberal president, but, I wonder where that fist-shaker is today, and if he's ready to assault anyone on the other side?

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  12. you didnt mention that it was a hillary supporter that got arrested for assault not a bernie supporter... that puts a whole nother light on the subject

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